Monique,

You ask the common sense question: "What Does Amnesty for Undocumented Farm Workers Have to Do with the Funding of our Action in Iraq."

The answer is NOTHING.

And that is why we need to replace every one of our elected reps that participate in this type of nonsense.

Elected officials that pull this BS, along with earmarks and other political games need to be exposed at the local level and then we need to hound them right out of office.

We need a Zero tolerance rule. Make an example out of two or three of them by exposing them, hounding them and voting them out, and the rest will hopefully begin to fall in line.

And sadly, as Ralph Nader told us long ago, there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the Demorcrats and the Republicans when it comes to playing these games.

The 1987 Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty act was riuned at its inception by the so-called "Panetta amendment"introduced by the Rep Leon Panetta(D-CA)that gave 'agricultural workers"who had been in the US for 90 days the same status as amnesty applicants who had been here the requisite 7 years.This was a case of illegals jumping the line on other illegals-can you believe this crap?Well,it happened.The amendment made sense for Panetta who represented a lot of winery country agribusiness-it was supported strongly by Schumer and Kennedy.back then,Schumer was a Confressman from Brooklyn and the only agribusiness in his district was the produce section of a supermarket,and in Kennedy's case,how much of a farm state is Mass.?There must've been a major back rub for Schumer in there someplace.The end result was massive fraud.And people wonder why I oppose this phony "comprehensive" immigration reform and "pathway to citiozenship"?Same s*t in a different package.

Braceros program. Bring it back and bring them out of the shadows as guest workers.

Why be devious about it? Why sneak it into completely unrelated bills? Why assume that they want to be here permanently or that we want them to?

Are there any kids who want to work in agriculture? Are there enough living close enough to farms to make it feasible, assuming they would be willing? Answers are no and no. When I tell my kids about picking apples in upstate NY, I might as well be talking about riding to school on a magick steam engine.

The bracero program was before my time in the INS,but occasionally I would run into aliens who had their old bracero cards.
Nowadays people want to come here with their families and stay.The old ebb and flow of aliens,particulary Mexicans,has pretty much disappeared in the present day and has been replaced by population shift.

Joe -

The bracero program is a little before my time too. ;) I still think it would be worthwhile exploring, with the understanding that they could still go through the legal immigration process. I understand the desire to have their families with them -many of the migrant workers where I grew up traveled with their families - a hard life. But could a bracero program be worse than the exploitation and conditions they face now?

We have had guest workers for decades in RI-Jamaicans who work in the apple orchards-they are paid decent wages,not exploited and return home routinely.i can't recall a single violator in the 12 years I was assigned to RI.The guet worker program could work,but bringing in families sets up a situation of potential permanency-the "advocates"will dream up new rights and go running to the courts and you know how that plays out.But the concept isn't bad-the wages can't be artificially low,however, in order to freeze out those citizens and permanent residents who want the jobs.It wouldn't be easy to manage,that's for sure.The whole immigration situation is completely out of control and the blame falls on both major parties equally.

Joe

The same was true of the guest workers on upstate NY farms. I guess I was thinking of those in raided sweatshops and slaughterhouses that we see linked in Drudge - not truly agricultural workers.

I don't want to hear any tasteless joke about the senator from Montana taking a wide stance in immigration.

Amnesty Yes!

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Obama 08!